It looks like Borland could not find a buyer for their IDE division, and they've released a new Eclipse-based version of Java IDE - JBuilder 2007. They will TRY TO SELL different version of this product, and the Enterprise Edition costs $1999 (?!). They must be crazy. For only two grand it offers "velocity with Visual EJB and web services GUIs, provides balance, enabling management of complex projects across locations with P2P and TeamInsight, and gives organizations confidence to develop with open source tools and plug-ins". This is not even funny.
You can get Eclipse with WTP for free with great tools for enterprise development. Netbeans is also free. An excellent enterprise grade IDE IntelliJ IDEA cost $500. Unless JBuilder 2007 has voice activated enterprise development, it's plain stupid to charge $2000 for this product. If they look at another overpriced monster called WSAD (or RAD), too bad. IBM is not in the software product development business anymore (they sell professional services) and can survive without selling WSAD, while for Borland IDE is one of mainstream products.
The only reason Joe Shmo, the CIO of an enterprise Java shop might purchase this product from Borland from $2K is that Joe plays golf with one of the Borland Executives and wants to do him/her a favor. I personally do not even have time to try it even if they'd given it to me for free.
Borland used to produce the best Java IDE several years ago. But the world is different now. Get real guys.
About Yakov Fain Yakov Fain is a managing principal of Farata Systems, consulting, training and product company. He has authored several Java books, dozens of technical articles. SYS-CON Books released his latest co-authored book , "Rich Internet Applications with Adobe Flex and Java: Secrets of the Masters" in Spring 2007. Sun Microsystems has nominated and awarded Yakov with the title Java Champion. He leads the Princeton Java Users Group. Yakov teaches Java and Flex 2 part time at New York University. He is an Adobe Certified Flex Instructor and an Editor-in-Chief of Flex Developers Journal.
JB wrote: Just upgraded
my old JBuilder 9 to 2007
version and first
impression is that they
totally made it wrong
desicion to redesign the
great concept, i am still
reading help-files and
get nothing done and got
crashed to desktop
already 3 times. I Wish
they would go back to
older JBuilder direction,
cause i'm supposed to be
developing my software
not redesign and
integrating my work just
to get crashed again.. ;(
Dave wrote: JBuilder 2007
sucks. I hate the
Eclipse platform, and
Borl... excuse me,
CodeGear's plug-ins make
it suck even more - so I
guess I'm sticking with
JB2006 for now.
pavlvs wrote: I liked the
old JBuilder. I had a
full version of JBuilderX
enterprise, which gave me
trouble with JSP editing
and specifying which JDK
to use, but it was still
pretty decent. I can't
get the damn thing
working on my new machine
with windows vista, so I
download the trial
version of JBuilder
2007... Which is
actually just a souped up
Eclipse... The IDE whose
crappiness turned me to
JBuilder in the first
place.
Before anyone bitches
about windows, I worked
in the software industry
with linux and had my
fill of wasting half the
day fiddling with free
software, trying to get
it to install correctly.
Nevermind trying to get
any dev work done. Also
keep in mind, we should
be C or assembly
programmers if we want to
be hard core. Java is
easy street.
Why does crap have to get
"upgraded" and
"re-released" when a
simple patch would do. I
want old JBuilder back!
Sergey wrote: >>> Just
one question to all these
JBuilder defenders -
raise your hand if you
did before or are
planning to pay two grand
of YOUR OWN MONEY for
JBuilder 2007.
Why are you checking the
Enterprise version, if
you need it for your
personal use ?
>>> Accusation of FUD is
just a joke - it's just
an IDE, and I'm not going
to waste my time on
researching this product.
Oh! come on, did you
check the feature matrix
in order to conclude that
it's just an COMMONLY
USED IDE ?
>>> I'm not paying $2K
for any Java IDE. If you
are looking for a
politically correct
review of the software,
I'm the wrong person.
It's not being
politically correct, its
being you NOT TECHNICALLY
worth to do a review of
the Software. Please do
us a favor of not posting
any reviews unless you
had really reviewed the
product. You just are
s...
Sergey wrote: Your post
is really disgusting to
say the least. Just
because the product is
priced high, you wouldn't
want to check out the
product is really bad in
taste.. Untill you had
checked the product,
there is no valid reason
for you to post a
review.. It looks like
you are trying to sell
JetBrains IntelliJ.
Andrej Cherkasov wrote:
Already ordered our
copies. Probably our
software and our revenues
are better than yours -
we aren't so mean we
don't want to pay for the
sofware we use.
And please, don't "waste"
your time to "review" a
software if you don't
even bother to try it.
FUD is exactly what you
did -if you can't "waste"
your precious time for
"researching". The Java
community begins to stink
- the worshipper of
Eclipse should start to
get paid like their tool:
nothing.
Yakov Fain wrote: Just
one question to all these
JBuilder defenders -
raise your hand if you
did before or are
planning to pay two grand
of YOUR OWN MONEY for
JBuilder 2007.
Accusation of FUD is just
a joke - it's just an
IDE, and I'm not going to
waste my time on
researching this product.
I'm not paying $2K for
any Java IDE. If you are
looking for a politically
correct review of the
software, I'm the wrong
person.
Andrej Cherkasov wrote:
Googling for support is
the best way to get a lot
of irrelevant
informations, half baked
examples and plainly
wrong statements. There
is some gold somewhere
sometimes, often hidden
in a lot of noise and
rubbish. The more the
links, the more the
noise. Need support for
MS? Its knowledgebase and
MSDN are far better
sources. Need help for
Oracle? Metalink and
AskTom are the best
sources.
Well, if you code using
Google I understand why
you wrote such a FUD
about JBuilder. YOu did
not find anything already
written to repeat and
because you don't bother
to give it a try you
choosed to say the first
thing that crossed your
mind. Very professional
attitude. Well, any link
in Google to this article
will just increase the
level of rubbinesh.
LDS wrote: When someone
writes "I personally do
not even have time to try
it even if they'd given
it to me for free." he
has no right to tell
anything else. This is
not an opinion based upon
facts. This is just
rubbish and FUD. Hope you
get paid to spread it
around, at least it would
be a reason. If you did
just because you're a
Java/Eclipse Taliban,
well, we can only pity
you.
Akin Ball wrote: I have
been waiting for this
product for a long time -
and am very keen to try
it. Yakov if did not try
it how did you comment on
it. Borland always
delivered the best of
breed IDE tools as you
yourself say... You are
contradicting twice..
David Intersimone "David
I" CodeGear wrote:
"Microsoft Visual Studio"
got about 34,700,000
Google results, not 45m.
"Eclipse Open Source" got
about 22,100,000 Google
results, much more than
4m.
Complete JBuilder 2007
details are available on
the
www.borland.com/jbuilder/
web site, including the
feature matrix for each
of the editions of
JBuilder 2007 -
developer, professional,
and enterprise.
Tom Reiertsen wrote: "I
personally do not even
have time to try it even
if they'd given it to me
for free."
So, you haven't even
tried it and you still
make degrading remarks
about it. This is pure
FUD and you know it. How
unprofessional!
JohnnySacks wrote:
Borland has been
hammering their customers
with upgrades
continuously.
Unbelievable there could
be shops out there who've
been buying upgrades
since JBuilder 3. I
really hate to see
Borland stoop to this
level because I remember
when their JBuilder tools
were expensive but the
best there was. If you
just have to spend money,
for 25% of the cost,
IntelliJ is an excellent
tool.
Yakov wrote: 45 mil hits
for MS Visual Studio
means that the chances
are very high that you'll
find the answer to your
problem by googling it
(without the need to call
MS for support).
Andriy Rokhmanov wrote:
Yakov, I think that IBM's
java flagship IDE now
RAD, not WSAD. Please
update your bookmarks. :)
MS Visual Studio gives a
45 million hits in
Google. Do you think that
Visual Studio have a 10
times better support than
Eclipse?
:)
Yakov Fain wrote: Do not
kid yourself. If you need
confidece in support, go
with the software that
has more hits on Google
search. Try searching for
Eclipse IDE and you'll
get more than four
millions hits. Try WSAD
IDE, and you'll get less
than 200K. Idea IDE
brings more than two
mil.
Andriy Rokhmanov wrote: I
believe those managers
who buys a RAD (WSAD),
buys also a payed support
(confidence in support or
certainty, if you want).
If Borland will offer a
better support then IBM
and IDEA - they would go
for it.
JDJ News Desk wrote: It
looks like Borland could
not find a buyer for
their IDE division, and
they've released a new
Eclipse-based version of
Java IDE - JBuilder 2007.
They will TRY TO SELL
different version of this
product, and the
Enterprise Edition costs
$1999 (?!). They must be
crazy. For only two grand
it offers 'velocity with
Visual EJB and web
services GUIs, provides
balance, enabling
management of complex
projects across locations
with P2P and TeamInsight,
and gives organizations
confidence to develop
with open source tools
and plug-ins'. This is
not even funny.
It's only taken Borland
two years but it's
finally dumped its
CodeGear tools division,
responsible for Borland's
hereditary JBuilder,
Delphi and C++ Builder
lines as well as its new
web ventures into PHP and
Ruby, said to be used by
7.5 million developers.
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